Comments on: Opinion: Why Boeing Chose South Carolina for the 787 http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/ Blogging about the airline industry & travel Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:23:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pilot Salary http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-77230 Pilot Salary Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:35:41 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-77230 It would be interesting to know how much of the delay was caused by the global supply chain of the different sections of the 787. I am also amazed at the lack of media outcry of the 787 delay compared to the A380. I don't know how Boeing did it but cudos to them. It would be interesting to know how much of the delay was caused by the global supply chain of the different sections of the 787. I am also amazed at the lack of media outcry of the 787 delay compared to the A380. I don’t know how Boeing did it but cudos to them.

]]> By: Elfin Slade http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-6516 Elfin Slade Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:57:28 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-6516 I've never been on a 747 but my favorite of all time is L-1011. Flew on it to & from hawaii in '97. They were totally sweet comfortable airplanes. I’ve never been on a 747 but my favorite of all time is L-1011. Flew on it to & from hawaii in ’97. They were totally sweet comfortable airplanes.

]]> By: sue the airline http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-873 sue the airline Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:40:39 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-873 what about local and state wide incentives and benefits (such as say tax abatement or a favorable rate for the first X years of operation). a lot of these behind the scenes incentives are not publicly discussed, but i wonder if anything of this nature was involved. all other points are definitely true. labor is cheapers, (union vs. non union), cost of living, strategic placement....several factors of course. what about local and state wide incentives and benefits (such as say tax abatement or a favorable rate for the first X years of operation). a lot of these behind the scenes incentives are not publicly discussed, but i wonder if anything of this nature was involved. all other points are definitely true. labor is cheapers, (union vs. non union), cost of living, strategic placement….several factors of course.

]]> By: David Parker Brown http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-870 David Parker Brown Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:29:35 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-870 The 787 is very different than any other airline made previously. Boeing must (well at least hopefully) feel they can get the skilled workers there, but they won't have the loyalty since they will be newer workers. People at SC can't say "my father, uncle, brother, etc" worked at Boeing to make the _______. But like I said, I know I have the bias of living in Seattle. :) David Parker Brown AirlineReporter.com The 787 is very different than any other airline made previously. Boeing must (well at least hopefully) feel they can get the skilled workers there, but they won’t have the loyalty since they will be newer workers. People at SC can’t say “my father, uncle, brother, etc” worked at Boeing to make the _______.

But like I said, I know I have the bias of living in Seattle. :)

David Parker Brown
AirlineReporter.com

]]> By: Seattle Skeptic http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-869 Seattle Skeptic Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:24:03 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-869 Very true, but also important to note just how different the assembly of the 787 is from previous Boeing airliners. Some skills transfer, others do not. Also important to note that Charleston has a sizable pool of aerospace talent of its own, and it's not as if Boeing can only find workers there or in the Puget Sound region. Airbus is pretty confident that they could build A330 tankers in Mobile, Alabama, so Boeing is not alone in thinking that a new plant can be adequately staffed. Very true, but also important to note just how different the assembly of the 787 is from previous Boeing airliners. Some skills transfer, others do not. Also important to note that Charleston has a sizable pool of aerospace talent of its own, and it’s not as if Boeing can only find workers there or in the Puget Sound region. Airbus is pretty confident that they could build A330 tankers in Mobile, Alabama, so Boeing is not alone in thinking that a new plant can be adequately staffed.

]]> By: David Parker Brown http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-868 David Parker Brown Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:12:45 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-868 Hey Ed, Who is to blame for that? The customer wants the cheapest ticket to fly from A to B. The airline wants the cheapest planes to provide the cheapest tickets. The plane maker wants to build the cheapest planes so the tickets are the cheapest. I know there are some people (especially in the Seattle area) who care if they are flying on a Boeing and will refuse to fly something else, but not too many have that sort of brand loyalty with flying. David Parker Brown AirlineReporter.com Hey Ed,

Who is to blame for that? The customer wants the cheapest ticket to fly from A to B. The airline wants the cheapest planes to provide the cheapest tickets. The plane maker wants to build the cheapest planes so the tickets are the cheapest.

I know there are some people (especially in the Seattle area) who care if they are flying on a Boeing and will refuse to fly something else, but not too many have that sort of brand loyalty with flying.

David Parker Brown
AirlineReporter.com

]]> By: David Parker Brown http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-867 David Parker Brown Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:07:11 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-867 Hello Seattle Skeptic! The training and skills for building Boeing planes has been around the Seattle area for a long time. Sure, there will be some people that will be asked to move to SC to help start up the assembly line there, but overall you are not going to get the number of people in SC who will have 5, 10, 15, 20+ years of experience building Boeing commercial aircraft. David Parker Brown AirlineReporter.com Hello Seattle Skeptic!

The training and skills for building Boeing planes has been around the Seattle area for a long time. Sure, there will be some people that will be asked to move to SC to help start up the assembly line there, but overall you are not going to get the number of people in SC who will have 5, 10, 15, 20+ years of experience building Boeing commercial aircraft.

David Parker Brown
AirlineReporter.com

]]> By: Seattle Skeptic http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-866 Seattle Skeptic Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:02:42 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-866 "that no one other than the Boeing workers in the Seattle area can build a better plane" Take the same Boeing workers and place them somewhere other than Seattle...and the planes they build will not be as good? If that is true, then it's the location rather than the workers that make the difference. If that is not what you mean, then we must assume that Boeing workers can build a plane at least as good regardless of where they are, including North Charleston. “that no one other than the Boeing workers in the Seattle area can build a better plane”

Take the same Boeing workers and place them somewhere other than Seattle…and the planes they build will not be as good? If that is true, then it’s the location rather than the workers that make the difference. If that is not what you mean, then we must assume that Boeing workers can build a plane at least as good regardless of where they are, including North Charleston.

]]> By: Ed http://www.airlinereporter.com/2009/11/1970/comment-page-1/#comment-865 Ed Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:55:25 +0000 http://www.airlinereporter.com/?p=1970#comment-865 Presumably, by the global supply chain cost of living and union arguments, it is only a matter of time before Boeing moves a another line (like the assembly of some Airbus A320) to China. Where workers rights will be even less of a problem. Is this just another race to the bottom for human working conditions? Presumably, by the global supply chain cost of living and union arguments, it is only a matter of time before Boeing moves a another line (like the assembly of some Airbus A320) to China. Where workers rights will be even less of a problem.

Is this just another race to the bottom for human working conditions?

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